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Could be -- I don't know. All their tools that I have seen myself have been of consistently high quality, but maybe they started out cheap and learned their lesson. The lower quality stuff could have been tossed out years ago (or hurled out, accompanied by imprecations and droplets of blood). I think that they actually started out making farrier's tools and horseshoes, but I can't put my hands on solid evidence. I concur with the comment about the equivocal benefits of innovation -- I've seen lots of things "progress" from pretty good thru "the customer won't notice the change" to trash. More companies should note how the memory of a bad product lingers. Bruce Roorda Possum Hill Farm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powell Hargrave" <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > Isn't the "Diamond Tool and Horseshoe Co." that bunch of rip off artists > who innovated the die cast rubbery $2 wrenches my dear father used to buy? > Looked good but seldom removed more than knuckle skin and nut corners. Not > all innovation is beneficial for the consumer. > > Powell - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.