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With Generation 5 there is bronzing and a grain effect in darker colors. While it might be a step forward for pigments on glossy paper it still needs improvement. In a message dated 2/26/02 1:47:41 AM EST, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: > Hey group, > > Sorry if this question has already been asked, but I've been off-list for a > bit. I see that the new Generations 5 inks are available on media street, I > was waiting for this in order to switch to a CIS system. Their site says the > inks will work on glossy papers, but they only cite their own papers, with no > mention of Epson PGPP which I have a lot of. - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.