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Don't know but the MediaStreet stuff can be bought in 4 oz or 8 oz besides 16 oz. In a message dated 2/15/02 5:57:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, email@example.com writes: << What's the shelf life of these inks? Thanks. Sam >[snip] You can get the 1270/1280 dye in bulk by buying 500ml (16oz) >carts for the >Epson 10000. The colors for the 10000 come is separate carts . List price is >$169 fror Epson per cart. So six cart set will run $ 714(from Epson -may be >cheaper elsewhere) . Generation 5 in 16oz sets runs $ 311.94 and >MediaStreet's Plug & Play inks run$ 199.22 for 16oz sets. [snip] - >> - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.