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Jerry isn't the 3 yellow the weaker one, lightfast wise? Perhaps the gen5 yellow with your below mix is the way to go because it's supposed to give gen4 longevity but it's a warmer (more orangy) brew, possibly closer to 3 than 4. You'd have to ask more experienced users to be sure, but that's my understanding. Todd > Thanks Todd, I think I'll stick with the Generations 4 Cyan and Magenta ink, > the > Generations Enhanced Black ink, Generations 3 Yellow, (The darker one). I KNOW > these work fine. > > Jerry > > Todd Flashner wrote: > >> on 2/13/02 7:14 PM, Jerry Olson wrote: >> >>> I've never used pigmented cartridges. I think Generations 4 is a great >>> inkset, >>> and understand that the new Generations 5 MAY be able to print a decent >>> print >>> on lustre or gloss paper, but I would get a sample before I bought. >> >> I recently got a gen5 sample print from media street. Very unconvincing >> either way. It's on a semigloss stock, and the inks don't ruboff, but the >> image has so little ink to it, it's so pale and desaturated, who knows what >> would happen with a rich print. Plus there is a certain amount of - I don't >> know the right term, not bronzing - odd black reflectance. >> >> Anyway, it might work for some applications, but based on this little sample >> I think it's safe to say it's not dye like performance you'll get. That's >> what my intuition tells me. I'd like to be wrong about that though. >> >> Todd - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.