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Cathy, Terrence and all, With all due respect, you're making this harder than it should have to be. If all that is said below (and in other posts) was required in order to make a nice print, epson and hp among others would be out of business. While what you say may be required to make a very high quality color print, nice color prints are not supposed to be that difficult. I build PC's for alot of people, some 5000 at this juncture and no one (well almost no one) has ever called me to say that they can't get decent color from their printer. There is just something basically wrong in Terrence's situation - it may be the printer and it may be that he should complain to Epson - it may be a clog or some other anomaly. So by suggesting that one do all the things that everyone has been saying, everyone is scaring all the newbies out of the business. Good color is not that difficult - high quality color is another story - end of discussion. My 2¢, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Brown" <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: <email@example.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: RE: Ouch! > Hi Terrence (and others who are just starting out on their great printing > adventure), > > The whole issue of getting an accurate digital print is very confusing, > there is no question of that. And, now that you have made me think hard > about it, referring you to various web links is probably not helpful when > you are just starting out because each web article discusses something > particular and does not put the problems and solutions in any kind of > context or link them together in an understandable way. > > Also, beginning woes are often compounded by having to learn Photoshop along > the way ... a less than trivial task. > > As I see it these are the components that have to come together (each with > its own set of complications and its own learning curve): > > - the best quality possible from your equipment for an original scan or > image from a digital camera > > - a monitor that is correctly calibrated to show you the colors as they > actually exist in the digital file > > - a sufficient knowledge of Photoshop (or alternative editing program) the > results in the ability to manipulate the digital file for the best quality > and most consistent output > > - a knowledge of how your printer interacts with the print settings in your > editing program and how to set up both to maximize quality and control > output > > - and, if you are working with other than the printer manufacturer's own > papers and/or inks, appropriate profiles for each such combination you use > and an understanding of how to apply these profiles > > This is a big list and no small learning challenge. Those of us on the list > who have been around for a while have all been through it and can attest > that it is not always easy but that the results at the end are worth it. > > I suggest that you turn to that miracle of modern technology ... a good > book. The advantage of a book is that it puts each of the elements in a > context and links them together in an understandable way. > > I have two books to recommend, but both center on learning Photoshop. If you > are using another editing program, maybe someone else will have alternative > suggestions. > > Both books are excellent, but if you are only going to get one, I recommend > Barry Haynes and Wendy Crumpler's "Photoshop 6 Artistry" because I think it > does the best job for beginners complete with a cd-supported tutorial > approach to learning Photoshop and lots of good, clear information on the > other subjects I have listed above. It's the book (in an earlier > incarnation) that first cleared the mists for me when I was struggling as > you are now. (Not that I've ever ceased entirely to struggle <g>.) > > The other book which I also recommend highly (and suggest that you acquire > along with "Photoshop Artistry" if you can afford it and are inclined to > load up on reading matter) is Bruce Fraser and David Blatney's "Real World > Photoshop," which is probably the best respected Photoshop book around. > Bruce also is a member of this list. > > And, keep turning to this list with your questions, > > Cathy > http://www.catbrownphoto.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: firstname.lastname@example.org > [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of Atlas > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:41 PM > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > Subject: RE: Ouch! > > > Lisa, > > So far I have been given lots of links and have heard from some very well > meaning folks. I still don't have a clear picture about even where to start. > I have run the gamma thing on my monitor and now I hear from some who tell > me that your gamma means very little. I also hear that you need 1.8 gamma > and someone else says you need 2.2 gamma. Also like you said there are those > pesky profiles...input device profiles, monitor profiles, color spaces, > output device profiles and on and on ad nauseum! > > I have lots more information than when I started but I don't know what of it > is right and what is wrong. I have some folks contact me off the list and > tell me that some don't know what they are talking about. I do know one > thing for sure. There are some very nice folks out here that truly want to > help. The problem is there is no one place to get the straight skinny on how > a novice would begin the process of printing a simple inkjet print. I don't > know if I need a profile, a spyder or if I need either one. Then whose do I > buy even if I could afford any of it. I have invested $500 on a printer and > $300 more on consumables and so far the prints I have made are crap. > > I have been a photographer for more than 15 years and have even printed my > own stuff from negatives as well as slides. This arena makes those > experiences look like child's play. I have never felt so ignorant on a topic > since I was first exposed to calculus in 11th grade. > > I don't wish to seem ungrateful since some have tried to help yet I can't > help but feel like I am no closer to the truth than when I started. It is > almost laughable when I don't first think of the waste I have incurred, $$$. > I am not sure that I would have bought this printer if I had known what I > was up against. What are all those folks doing that bought an 8x10 inkjet > printer using Photoshop Le or Elements. Are they making nice prints or are > they struggling like me? > > Frustrated in Knoxville...Terrence Mahanna, 865 539 3881 > > - > Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate > subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. > > - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.