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on 2/10/02 5:51 PM, Tyler Boley at email@example.com wrote: > Nick, Dan Culbertson pointed out that this works very well some time > ago, using Profiler Pro. I wish I had seen Dan's information. When it comes to color management I feel we are all constantly running around reinventing the wheel. When I post these little insights publicly it is not so much that I think they are some brilliant new discovery but rather I never saw the info and if I can save just one other person from going through the agony I just went through it's worth it. Inevitably there is the return post, oh yeah - sombody already figured that out three years ago. I wish I knew...aarrrgh. Unfortunately when I got started with quadtone printing a while back I really didn't even know how to properly frame the question. Actually this notion of using applied profiles is very powerful. It really dates back to the introduction of Live Picture. It is a pity that it took so long to get into Photoshop. I would say that it is extremely important for anyone interested in fine digital printing to thoroughly understand the concept of an "applied profile", actually all aspects of color management for that matter. It is no help that on the Margulis list they are referred to as "false profiles", or in most discussions they are talked about as input characterization or working spaces etc. What an applied profile really can be is an extremely powerful non destructive editing tool. Ditto for workingspaces. I feel that badly created or misused profiles can be more damaging than running an imagesetter without calibration, or way over or underdeveloping a piece of film. Worse really, for in an analog world the information was usally all still there and recoverable somehow, in a digital world when the information is gone, it's gone for good. Nick - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.