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Nick, You are apparently blessed by the color gods. I on the other hand am besieged by color demons. I agree with that it shouldn't be this difficult but it certainly has been for me. I will use some of your suggestions and some from some of the other respondents. FYI, I have printed several test images and all the heads are working properly. It is just that all my prints so far have been off just enough for me to think I don't have a clue! Off goes the printer till I know more and then can begin testing again. It is far too expensive to test the way I have been. Thanks again, Terrence Mahanna -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of Nick Makris Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:47 PM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Why is profiling necessary - it shouldn't be that dificult????? Terrence Mahanna wrote: > As of this moment I have a bunch of prints that are all over the place > (color wise) and no real idea how to get them right. I have Epson matte > heavyweight and Premium glossy as well as a roll of 4" premium semi gloss. I > have experimented with the glossy and the matte and like both surfaces but > both papers have proven to me I am just spinning my wheels trying to get > this right. I have wasted about $75 worth of consumables at this point and > now I have stopped printing until I know a bit more and can begin to make > some headway towards a better print. I have read many of the posts on this list such as the one above from Terrence with great relief - relief that I have never had any of those kinds of problems. At one time or another I have used color inks in both my 1520 and 1160 and both have always printed color just like what I see on screen. Even the film scans from my Nikon LS4500 (from 35MM to 4X5, disparate negs., copy negs, original/copy chromes) and my digital camera always show up on screen with the appropriate colors and print just like what I see on screen - this has been true from day one. I know many other digital print enthusiasts who also don't have the problems that have plauged many on this list. This profiling thing has me very confused. This should be much simpler than what many are experiencing. Perhaps we could start a discussion about how people in this predicament eventually extricated themselves. One thought does come to mind regarding this problem is to print a test of basic colors to determine if all heads are working properly. The basic printer nozzle check is a good starting point. However, that won't give you the answer to the problem of color shift. My daughter called me once with a color shift problem and it turned out to be a nozzle clog. On my website www.mcn.org/k/nick, just after the intro, a color/black patch appears that directs you to change the color temperature of your monitor to support the most nuetral view of the image. You could save/print that image or create one like it to see if it can be printed to look like what you see on screen. This image prints perfectly on my 1520 with standard epson 4 color carts. Most newer monitors have controls to change color temperature - this is the heart of the problem. If you are color blind or have an odd sense of color, this may be contributing to the problem. You should be able to print what you see on your screen. I must be missing something here - this approach is too simplistic................. Nick - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.