Re: Inks question

[Jerry Olson <jerryolson@rrv.net>]

CD, when I was using the Lyson Fotonics I printed about a dozen 16x20
Prints for a show. (black and white). Since I did this in daylight, and
they looked very neutral, I was pleased. (3000 Printer). This was way
before I started printing with Quad inks. The Fotonics made and do make
beautiful color prints with little noticeable metamerism. BUT if you
print black and white images with them, view them in  Daylight, and then
look at them in Fluorescent or tungsten lighting, the prints look
magenta, light magenta, Deep Magenta and white. No grays, no blacks.
Just Magenta. I was shocked. A local Gallery wouldn't accept them for
exhibition, as I knew they wouldn't. That's when I got in to Quad
Printing. When metamerism is this bad, you bet I'm picky.

But this was nearly 6 years ago, and it is entirely possible that Lyson
has corrected the problem. For color prints, they equal epson inks.
Currently, Paul's curves, and the VM inks produce beautiful Black and
white prints, as does my 1160 color printer you profiled for the MIS
Color Archival inkset. I can get absolutely neutral, slightly cool, or
very cool black and white prints using the MIS color inks with that
printer and your profile. Your color profile for my 1160 Epson produces
perfectly neutral black and white prints, with no crossovers anywhere,
with the MIS archival inkset. I Couldn't be more pleased with a profile.
I Made a test yesterday, to see if I could match a pin using the VM inks
on the 1280  and Your profile for the MIS color archival inks on the
1160. I used the cool curve from Paul Roark, Eclipse Satine Paper, 300
gsms. Got a perfect print on the 1280 printer. Then I tried the same
image on the 1160 with your profile, and got nearly identical results. 
to make it match the print on the 1280 using Paul's cool curve, I added
+2 blue and +1 cyan in a photoshop color balance adjustment layer. Side
by side, you can't tell the prints apart, at 1440 DPI. I'd call that a
damn good profile.

Jerry

CDTobie@aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 2/8/02 2:15:49 PM, 100777.2666@compuserve.com writes:
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> >The result is a
> >
> >beautiful neutral monochrome with perhaps a hint of cyan in daylight
> 
> Its a matter of perspective here, your "hint of cyan" is exactly analogous to
> Jerry's "horribly metameric"... Jerry is extremely picky.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Design Cooperative
> CDTobie@designcoop.com
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