Leaving aside your use of hyperbole ["what all the world recognizes as 'photographs'" and "when people look at our images they *never* realize that they are viewing inkjet prints (made with pigment inks)"] as well as a certain degree of ambiguity in what is meant by "recognizes as 'photographs'," it was not my intent to do other than express some opinions and convey some of the reports that I have gotten or read. You are entitled to disagree with what I said or with the evalautions and/or assessment processes that underlie said remarks. I might even be willing to accept the fact that there are newer pigmented inks out there that come close or closer in gamut and appearance to dye based inks than the earlier pigmented inksets. But remember, I was not addressing gamut considerations but suggesting that there were other factors aside from or in addition to gamut considerations or true blackness of the blacks that might or should be considered. Nor was I comparing inkjet gamuts to traditional wet process color photographic gamuts. -----Original Message----- From: owner-epson-inkjet@leben.com [mailto:owner-epson-inkjet@leben.com]On Behalf Of SKID Photography Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:11 AM To: epson-inkjet@leben.com Subject: Re: To Dye or not to Dye LAURIE SOLOMON wrote: > <Snip> > > > I think you need to consider several things beside gamut and strong > blacks. > > First, if you want your finished product to have a photographic or a > > painterly look. Pigmented inks tend not to give a smooth continuous tone > > photographic look that dye based inks do but rather give a more painterly > > particular appearance. > Laurie, I could not disagree with you more. We are photographers, who shoot celebrities for a living, and we (among many of our colleagues) do, in fact, print with pigment inks and achieve what all the world recognizes as 'photographs'. Further, it has been our experience that when people look at our images they *never* realize that they are viewing inkjet prints (made with pigment inks). We have also found that even the Epson pigment inks have a better gamut that traditional wet process color photos. The newer 'Indelible' pigment inks are even closer to the gamut of dye based inks. Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID Photography, NYC - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.