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Wire, Thanks for a really helpful and informative post. Have you tried Fotonic with Epson ColorLife? It has good paper thickness, good colour, and presumably good life. There is no 'bronzing', and with a good profile should give very good results, if you can do without the gloss. Presumably all your tests on gloss papers were done using the 'Glossy Film' setting in the driver, to reduce the amount of ink used and keep 'bronzing' to a minimum? I use Fotonic most of the time, and mostly with Lyson 265gm Pro Gloss, and I get a little 'bronzing', but not enough to cause any concern. I can accept it and live with it. John Wright Using Virtual Access http://www.soft-shop.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.