Re: [PULL] http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/hardy-lum-compat | |
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Hi, Am Freitag, den 17.10.2008, 22:20 -0300 schrieb Mauro Carvalho Chehab: > On Sat, 18 Oct 2008, hermann pitton wrote: > > > Instead of calling it a mess we should stay more polite > > I don't think I was not polite when I just said the truth. See [1][2], > this is the patch tree for some media modules on some random debian > distro: > > drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/stk11xx/ > -rw-r--r-- root/root 129812 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/stk11xx/stk11xx.ko > drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/usbvideo/ > -rw-r--r-- root/root 70200 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/usbvideo/uvcvideo.ko > drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/au0828/ > -rw-r--r-- root/root 24060 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/au0828/au0828.ko > -rw-r--r-- root/root 10504 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/au0828/au8522.ko > -rw-r--r-- root/root 15016 2008-08-29 09:47 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/ubuntu/media/au0828/xc5000.ko > > drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2008-08-08 09:10 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx23885/ > -rw-r--r-- root/root 42476 2008-08-08 09:10 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx23885/cx23885.ko > drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2008-08-08 09:10 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx25840/ > -rw-r--r-- root/root 34912 2008-08-08 09:10 ./lib/modules/2.6.24-21-eeepc/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx25840/cx25840.ko > > This is completely different from what upstream install scripts do. Also, > this is not specified at LSB. So, it is non-standard. > > Also, xc5000 is a tuner that can be used on other drivers, but it is > inside au0828 dir. On the other hand, other modules are at the proper > place. It seems to follow some random logic. So it is a mess. > > Anyway, I dunno what were the reason for that logic, but this has absolutely no > relevance to a patch that will remove the older versions of the modules. > it is at least a mess _for us_ and if their users want newer drivers and we try to help. Don't have any Ubuntu, but the random seems to happen only on stuff they have down ported to 2.6.24. If they have it there since the release of 2.6.24, they likely could not know, how we will have it in the future. Since Debian is always late on kernels and the current Ubuntu version has long time support, in a positive turn we could say they tried at least to provide some newer drivers, but ... If they say our priority is to provide something stable for three years to people without or only limited web access and to send the install media for free to them, it is still a good work IMHO. > --- > > Mkrufky's proposal is abusing the usage of obsolete.txt. This were > conceived to allow the removal of modules that were renamed or moved at > the original tree. It were never meant to be used by any other means. > > Using this to remove something at ../../ubuntu/media will cause some > troubles with make rmmod (rmmod.pl will try to do rmmod > ../ubuntu/media/foo, after following a complex logic to check rmmod > precedences). I don't doubt that this could a breakage there. > > Also, this adds a penalty for non-Debian users, since make install and make > rmmod will have to do some extra work trying to remove those files that > will never exist on any other distro. > > The proper way is to check if ubuntu/media exists and do some logic to > seek for the previous versions of the media modules. That's the strategy > behind my patch. > > >From the comments I got, it seems that people don't want my help on this. > So, I'll let somebody else to find a good solution for this problem that > doesn't add any penalty to non-Debian users and don't abuse of > obsolete.txt. > > Mauro. > > [1] http://www.array.org/ubuntu/package_linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-21-eeepc.html > [2] http://www.array.org/ubuntu/package_linux-image-2.6.24-21-eeepc.html Mike posted already that this is a misunderstanding and you should proceed. Mike else did not ask for much in my opinion and I'm aware of Greg's likely correct statistics. Cheers, Hermann _______________________________________________ v4l-dvb-maintainer mailing list v4l-dvb-maintainer@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/v4l-dvb-maintainer
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