pci device ordering

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hi all,

i have a machine with two pci devices of the same type. how can i ensure 
persistent device indices?

the wiki [1] mentions a way for a way using vid/pid, but for pci devices it 
suggests to write a udev rule. [2] has an example, but it only describes how to 
set up the device names in /dev/snd. but how do i bind a specific device to an 
alsa device index (hw:X)?

thanks, tim


[1] 
http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards#How_to_choose_a_particular_order_for_multiple_installed_cards
[2] http://alsa.opensrc.org/Udev


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